. >> jon: it reminded me of those shows i used to get, robert wagner is a thief and now the fbi will use him to learn the tricks of the thieving. roosevelt really said to kennedy you know how to do this, dow this. it did interesting to me that the man who created what you have to say is the most beloved liberal dynasty that has ever been created in this country was himself an avatar of all that that establishment seeks to abolish. >> he believed in capitalism. but he also believed that unrestrained, unrestricted capitalism was going to lead to disaster. he lived through the runnup to the great depression. he knew the stock market was out of control. he pulled his money out. and then he believed that unless something was done to reign in people like him, to reign in-- (laughter) i just would have loved to have been in that meeting. >> you don't get t i'm a bad guy. i've got to stop me. him in front of a mirror. >> he did stop him and he did stop him because he now that if the country continued in that way, if the depression got worse than capitalism would be threatened, democracy woul